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January 28,
2006
Dialog between
Pastor Bryan Aalborg and Pastor Erin Miller --
with
edited-in substitutions and additions by Dr. Bob Holt, md.
on May 22,
2011
Let's
be CLEAR here. Neither Bryan NOR Erin said what you read
here
in the RED type!
Song Leader: "Praise
the Lord"-- I tell myself, with my whole heart I will praise His holy
Name!"
Erin Miller: "The Lord is merciful, and gracious, and slow to
get angry and full of unfailing love, and will not constantly accuse us,
nor remain angry forever, -- "
Bryan Aalborg: "He hath not punished us for all our sins, nor doth
he deal with us as we deserve, --"
EM: "For His unfailing love towards those who fear Him is as great as
the height of the heavens above the earth--"
BA: "Where (what
has been labeled as) sin abounds --"
EM: "(God's
Compassion) abounds much more!"
BA: "After the flood, Noah became a farmer and tended a
vineyard. One day he became drunk on some wine he had made, and he
laid naked in his tent,--" (This
is a made-up story, a deception!)
EM: "Where (what
has been labeled as) sin abounds --
(God's Compassion)
abounds much more."
BA: "As the deer pants for streams of water -- so I long for you, O
God, (the
True God, the "Compassionate God") --
I thirst for God, for the living God."
EM: "Where (what
has been labeled as) sin abounds --
(God's Compassion) abounds much more.
The Lord detests
lying lips, but He delights in men who are truthful.-- (And
now, at long last, you are reading and hearing THE TRUTH!)"
Bryan Aalborg and Erin Miller continued on in their dialog to cite
Abram, David, and Peter's dialog with a servant girl at Jesus' trial
before his crucifixion as other examples of this principle they were
trying to make clear on January 28, 2006, but let's stop here with the
drunken Noah story on this present page and I'll try to show you that it
was made up, or at least edited, based upon a picture of our world that is
unscientific, and has been disproven by our deepest mines, explorations
all over the globe, and since the 1950s, by explorations in outer
space. The story of Noah's flood we find in the Bible is
clearly built and edited from earlier Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian, and
Babylonian stories. But the purported mechanism of the flood
can only be understood by using the existence of such unscientific
concepts as "the Great Deep" and "Sheol" as a basis.
"The Great Deep"
being a great body of water underneath the the earth large enough to
hold most of the water that inundated the earth according to this Biblical
story.
In short, the theory can be stated simply as follows: God altered the
Great Deep and Sheol
when he created the "Firmament" on the second 24 hour day of
"Creation Week", and about 1500 years later used or recreated
Sheol when he made possible a flood that could cover the entire earth,
including its highest mountains.
The Biblical authors scholars now label as "J" and
"P" used Sheol in their Bible stories. The same authors responsible for the
"Sinful Eve" story in Genesis 3.
Genesis
1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven (seen here over the
highest mountains) and the earth (not spherical but relatively flat, held
up by 4 pillars),
2 And the earth (the non-watery part) was without form, and void;
and darkness was upon the face of the deep (here labeled as "the
great deep" -- the watery part). And the Spirit of God (in
the Hebrew Bible "a wind from God") moved upon the face of the
waters."
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
(This light was independent from the sun, not created or seen until the
fourth day).
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the
light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and
the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were
the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament
in the midst of the
waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. (Roughly the bubble
shaped cavity pictured above.)
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were
under the firmament (the "great deep" next to the pillars
holding up the flat earth) from the waters which were above the firmament;
and it was so."
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. (the area above in
which one sees the moon and stars on the left and the sun on the
right). And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered
together unto one place, and let the dry land
appear: and it was so.
(The earth
appeared as above, but without the stars and sun.)
10 And God called the dry land Earth: and the gathering together of
the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."
And
thus the earth existed, but supposedly without rain, for 1500 years or so,
until God decided to undo what he had done in Genesis 1:1-10.
Skipping
now to Genesis 6, which begins with an unexpurged remnant of the
"Enoch" account of angels seducing and tempting human women, and
fathering "giants" by them, I'll separate the joined together
accounts of the "Flood" by "J" (the Sheol account) and
"P" (the 40 days of rain account) and give you only the
"Creation Undone" account,
illustrated as below!
Genesis
6:17a (God speaking) "And, behold I, even I, do bring a flood of
waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of
life, from under heaven; (note that now in our former illustration, I have
altered it so only part of the firmament is out of the water, that part
containing the sun, moon, and stars. Water is pouring in through the
"windows of heaven", holes made by God in the firmament,
mentioned in Gen. 8:2).
Genesis 6:17b "--and every thing that is in the earth shall
die."
Integrated with J's "Sheol
Flood Story" and P's "40 days of rain" Story is the Noah's
Ark story we all remember.
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| Noah, told by God of the coming Flood, builds an
Ark (giant 3 story raft) to God's specified
dimensions. About 300 feet wide, 550 long. |
While some people, mostly his sons Ham, Shem, and
Japheth, help him build this ark, Noah preaches. Since nobody knows
what rain is, there is skepticism. |
At the end of 120 years of preaching, no one has
believed nor got on the ark, but animals get on 2 by 2 (except 7
each of clean animals). |
On God's instructions that the Flood will come in
seven days, Noah and his family (8 persons) get on the ark.
After 7 days the Flood comes. |
J and P's "Sheol Flood
Story" ends with Genesis 8:1, 2
The "windows
of heaven" are closed, normal earth structure is restored, Sheol is
emptied of it's excess water which returns to "the great deep",
and becomes the prison in which God places the disobedient angels who
fathered giants with Eve's daughters, where they will remain until
judgment day (in spite of being preached to for 3 days in 33 AD by Jesus
Christ). 1 Peter 3:18-20.
Genesis 8:1 "And
God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was
with him on the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, (the same
wind that he used in the Hebrew Bible version of Genesis 1:2 ?), and the
waters assuaged: 2 The fountains also of the
(great) deep and the windows
of heaven were stopped, and (from "P") the
rain from heaven was restrained; 3 And the waters returned from off
the earth (to the great deep) continually: and after the end of the
hundred and fifty days the waters were abated."
YHWH
against All Humans (Except Noah)
Richard
Elliott Friedman continues
the Hidden Book in the Bible written by “J” on page 74
with Genesis 6:1.
“And it was when humankind began to multiply on the face of
the ground and daughters were born unto them:
2 and the sons of God saw the daughters of humankind, that they
were attractive, and they took women, from all they chose. 3 And
YHWH said,
“My spirit won’t stay with humankind forever, since they’re also
flesh; and their days shall be a hundred twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days and after that as
well, when the sons of God came to the daughters of humankind, and they
gave birth by them. They
were the heroes of old, people of renown.
5 And YHWH
saw
that human BAD was multiplied in the earth, and every inclination of their
heart’s thoughts was only BAD all the day.
6 And YHWH regretted that He made humankind in the
earth. And He was
grieved to His heart. 7
And YHWH said, “I’ll
wipe out the human whom I’ve created from the face of the ground, from
human to animal to creeping thing to bird of the skies, because I regret
that I made them.”
8
And Noah found favor in YHWH’s eyes.
ETC, and ETC. The
Story of the Flood and Noah’s Ark.
Now that the archaeologists have dug up several of the original
Sumerian, Assyrian, and Babylonian “Flood Stories”, including the
tablets I have displayed above, we can clearly see that Hebrew writers
have used parts of these stories to construct their own versions.
I say “versions” not version because there are indeed two of
these stories, written by both “J” and “P”.
“P” being the same person or group of persons that was
responsible for the “hymn of creation” that we skipped over before we
started reading J’s version of creation and the “Incident at the
Tree.”
Richard Elliott Friedman on
page 54 and 55 of his earlier book Who Wrote the Bible has
taken the trouble to separate J’s Flood Story from P’s Flood Story so
I’ll digress here to show you how they differ and who wrote which part.
Friedman has demonstrated this by writing out J’s story in lower
case type and P’s story in bold-face capitals.
The Flood – Genesis 6:5
Onward—by J and P
GENESIS 6: 5 And Yahweh saw that the evil of humans was great in
the earth, and all the inclination of the thoughts of their heart was only
evil all the day.
6 And Yahweh regretted that he had made humans in the earth
and he was grieved to his heart.
7 And Yahweh said, “I shall wipe out the humans which I
have created from the face of the earth, from human to beast to creeping
thing to bird of the heavens, for I regret that I have made them.”
8 But Noah found favor in Yahweh’s eyes.
9 THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH: NOAH WAS A RIGHTEOUS MAN,
PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS. NOAH WALKED WITH GOD (ELOHIM).
10 AND NOAH SIRED THREE SONS: SHEM, HAM, AND JAPHETH.
11 AND THE EARTH WAS CORRUPTED BEFORE GOD (ELOHIM), AND
THE EARTH WAS FILLED WITH VIOLENCE.
12 AND GOD SAW THE EARTH, AND HERE IT WAS CORRUPTED, FOR
ALL
FLESH HAD CORRUPTED ITS WAY ON THE EARTH.
13 AND GOD SAID TO NOAH, “THE END OF ALL FLESH
HAS COME BEFORE ME, FOR THE EARTH IS FILLED WITH VIOLENCE BECAUSE OF THEM,
AND HERE I AM GOING TO DESTROY THEM WITH THE EARTH.
14 MAKE YOURSELF AN ARK OF GOPHER WOOD,
MAKE ROOMS WITH THE ARK, AND PITCH IT OUTSIDE AND INSIDE WITH PITCH.
15 AND
THIS IS HOW YOU SHALL MAKE IT: THREE HUNDRED CUBITS THE LENGTH OF THE ARK,
FIFTY CUBITS ITS WIDTH, AND THIRTY CUBITS ITS HEIGHT.
16 YOU SHALL MAKE A WINDOW FOR THE ARK, AND YOU SHALL FINISH IT
TO A CUBIT FROM THE TOP, AND YOU SHALL MAKE AND ENTRANCE TO THE ARK IN ITS
SIDE. YOU SHALL MAKE
LOWER, SECOND, AND THIRD STORIES FOR IT.
17 AND
HERE I AM BRINGING THE FLOOD, WATER OVER THE EARTH, TO DESTROY ALL FLESH
IN WHICH IS THE BREATH OF LIFE FROM UNDER THE HEAVENS.
EVERYTHING WHICH IS ON THE LAND WILL DIE.
18 AND
I SHALL ESTABLISH MY COVENANT WITH YOU.
AND YOU SHALL COME TO THE ARK, YOU AND YOUR SONS AND YOUR WIFE AND
YOUR SONS’ WIVES WITH YOU.
19 AND
OF ALL THE LIVING, OF ALL FLESH, YOU SHALL BRING TWO TO THE ARK TO KEEP
ALIVE WITH YOU, THEY SHALL BE MALE AND FEMALE.
20 OF THE BIRDS ACCORDING TO THEIR KIND, AND OF THE BEASTS
ACCORDING TO THEIR KIND, AND OF ALL THE CREEPING THINGS OF THE EARTH
ACCORDING TO THEIR KIND, TWO OF EACH WILL COME TO YOU TO KEEP ALIVE.
21 AND
YOU, TAKE FOR YOURSELF OF ALL FOOD WHICH WILL BE EATEN AND GATHER IT TO
YOU, AND IT WILL BE FOR YOU AND FOR THEM FOR FOOD.
22 AND
NOAH DID ACCORDING TO ALL THAT GOD (ELOHIM) COMMANDED HIM – SO HE
DID.
GENESIS 7:1 And Yahweh said to Noah, “Come, you and all
your household, to the ark, for I have seen you as righteous before me in
this generation.
2 Of all the clean beasts, take yourself seven pairs, man
and his woman; and of the beasts which are not clean, two, man and
his woman.
3 Also of the birds of the heavens seven pairs, male and female, to
keep alive seed on the face of the earth.
4 For in seven more days I shall rain on the earth forty
days and forty nights, and I shall wipe out all the substance that I have
made from off the face of the earth.”
5 And Noah did according to all that Yahweh had commanded
him.”
6 AND NOAH WAS SIX HUNDRED YEARS OLD, AND THE FLOOD WAS ON THE
EARTH.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife
and his sons’ wives with him came to the ark from before the waters of
the flood.
8 OF THE CLEAN BEASTS AND OF THE BEASTS WHICH WERE NOT CLEAN,
AND OF THE BIRDS AND OF ALL THOSE WHICH CREEP UPON THE EARTH,
9 TWO
OF EACH CAME TO NOAH TO THE ARK, MALE AND FEMALE, AS GOD HAD COMMANDED
NOAH.
10 And
seven days later the waters of the flood were on the earth.
11 IN THE SIX HUNDREDTH YEAR OF NOAH’S LIFE, IN THE SECOND
MONTH, IN THE SEVENTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH, ON THIS DAY ALL THE FOUNTAINS
OF THE GREAT DEEP WERE BROKEN UP, AND THE WINDOWS OF HEAVEN WERE OPENED.
12 And
there was rain on the earth, forty days and forty nights.”
Etc…ETC…
GENESIS 8:6 And it was at the end of forty days, and
Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made.
7 AND HE SENT OUT A RAVEN, AND IT WENT BACK AND FORTH UNTIL THE
WATERS DRIED UP FROM THE EARTH.
8 And
he sent out a dove from him to see whether the waters had eased from the
face of the earth …. (the “Dove Story, which ends with verse 12)
13 AND IT WAS IN THE SIX HUNDRED AND FIRST YEAR, IN THE FIRST
MONTH, ON THE FIRST OF THE MONTH, THE WATERS DRIED UP FROM THE EARTH.
And Noah turned back the covering of the ark and looked, and
here the face of the earth had dried.
15 AND GOD (ELOHIM) SPOKE TO NOAH, SAYING. 16 “GO
OUT FROM THE ARK, YOU AND YOUR WIFE AND YOUR SON’S WIVES WITH YOU—“
20 And Noah built an altar to Yahweh, and he took some of
each of the clean beasts and of each of the clean birds, and he offered
sacrifices on the altar.
21 And Yahweh smelled the pleasant smell, and Yahweh said
in his heart, “I shall not again curse the ground on man’s account,
for the inclination of the human heart is evil from their youth, and I
shall not again strike all the living as I have done.
22 All the rest of the days of the earth, seed and harvest, and
cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not
cease.”
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